Green Dragon Tavern
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“Crickets….”
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“Crickets….”
Not preaching here, but I just find it somewhat amazing that on two broadcasts dealing with the attack of the Federal Government on, and their sanctioned slaughter of the Branch Davidians in Waco, TX in April of 1993, and, the subsequent Oklahoma City bombing two years later in retaliation, (not to mention Ruby Ridge, which really got the ball rolling) that there was almost no discussion thereupon, with the exception of Riktom’s comment. Given that our platform founder, and host has been warning us for years, based on his and his family’s real life experiences with an armed rogue government agency, it would seem that there would be at least as much attention given to the “clear and present danger” right under all our noses, as there was given to unrelated topics. I’m not playing thought police here, it’s just interesting, I find, what actually excites response. Reckon those outraged by the death of George Floyd have longer memories or more easily enflamed passions? Or are we victims of “old news syndrome?” Something tells me Mike and family will never be plagued by said syndrome.
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Brings to mind my time in California when the 1992 Rodney King riots took out my business. I’m a 1968 Republic of Vietnam combat veteran. I’ve had the FBI steal from my business, I’ve had the government take my property without due process, and I’ve had the government take our family farmland by eminent domain. If I’m labeled as a militant, so be it.
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Eminent domain, isn’t that the grandchild of The Divine Right of Kings?
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So right about the King. I might add that I got my ass drafted into the Army. My next-door neighbor Alexander Zsigo was killed the month I left for the Army. My best friend in high school, Dwight I. Ade was killed in Vietnam. My Army buddy Jesse Carmona, Jr. was killed. I saw 4 men killed at the same time and did not know their names.
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I direct messaged you, when you get a chance.
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I haven’t said anything this year, but my heart was so troubled by last year and the discussion we had about my friend Trudy and the rescue workers and other souls sacrificed in OKC and Waco. I don’t consider those ordinary murder, I think there is a martyr factor and still pray for families to be comforted. The Bill Cooper shows on Waco as well and the follow up shows on abduction of people and putting them in MK Ultra and other experiments.
The horrors you and Trish and your family had were an extension of this operation of demoralization, death and destruction. My dad suffered after getting every cursed jab the VA forced on him to get care and pulled back to do a little better and then got ‘complications’ from a pacemaker installation that I’m pretty sure were more malpractice. He knew the Lord and has been wanting to go for a while and not able to drive which chapped his hide to no end. It spared him from being angry up to the election watching Fox and hospice care, a quicker death. With our Viking blood, that’s felt to be a plus.
More murder.
My 60th year, I am going to do full time ministry and start doing daily teaching on foundational doctrines, prayer, healing and evangelism. My little town is very isolated in one way, but very International and traveled to and it got economically and emotionally wrecked by the lockdowns and border closing.
Father forgive them, they know not what they do has to be on the ready in our souls.
Fighting the good fight of faith has to be our daily quest. We fight it with humility and prayer to see what Jesus would have us do and say. Rods and staffs, slingshots and harps –
You are here in Paine world and probably off more meds than you could be and in pain, so you may have a little OCD here. We love you, dearest Dana! (Old Codgers Disease ie Get off my lawn!) -
We have heard this before, and these podcasts are, to me, something of a sacred memorial that only needs to be remembered.
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Perfect way to say it @Ian
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Simply concur.
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Your comment is 100% valid Dana. Thanks for poking the bear. I’m a firm believer that a “terrorist” event is already organized to happen in this country prior to the election. Between international laws being broken, Middle East & Ukraine-Russia fueled conflicts, and ramping up of domestic “protests”, crime, division, hatred, fear, etc., it sets the stage for a planned attack to usher in more technocracy legislation. That’s just my opinion. Thanks!
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Yes OP
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With all due respect. If a response wasn’t exited I think it was the mass poisoning of the population, the shutdown of small businesses, schools, and churches, every day people getting “let go” from their jobs/careers for not accepting the poison. The family members pleading with their loved ones to not take the poison only to watch them do it anyways and cut ties. The mask strapped over children’s mouths and noses. The hundreds if not thousands of 15 year olds having heart attacks, the turbo cancer that’s killing 20 and 30 year old healthy adults, the contamination and re-writing of the human genetic code if not genome.
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Then why wasn’t that talked about instead? There was the opportunity. But nothing was spoken of. Evil is evil, despite the scale. Not being “big evil” doesn’t make “little evil” somehow better, or less evil. No one should be allowed to get away with murder, even if it is just the murder of one; like an unarmed mother holding her baby. R.I.P. Vicki Weaver. R.l.P. everybody else as well.
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Not speaking for anyone else here but personally as someone who has been involved with the truth community since Ruby Ridge it just seems like beating a dead horse and with so many members here that can and have already seen through all the lies and BS it’s almost like talking in a echo chamber. For example I can point out many inconsistencies with the interview Mike did with the FBI site commander about Timothy Mcveigh. He was never dropped from the Green Beret training course because he wasn’t in good enough shape. He left voluntarily and even his instructors have admitted in interviews he was meeting or exceeding all the physical requirements. In fact before dropping the course he had written a letter to his wife he was being recruited by black ops. The site commander also stated he was just an infantry soldier. If I remember correctly a gunner on a Bradley. But in reality he was on General Norman Schwarzkopf’s private security detail during desert storm. Also on his death certificate his occupation was listed as military. 10 years after he left the military? His occupation should have been listed as being incarcerated as is anyone’s death certificate who has been executed by the state.
I do see your point though as we should be remembering the atrocities committed on our fellow citizens by our own government for whatever vile reasonings they have. However we should also be looking at these things because it’s just their same old tired playbook being reused over and over again because they are to stupid to come up with anything new. Take that knowledge of history and apply that to what we are witnessing in the present and not fall for their theater, lies and propaganda. Just as you mentioned George Floyd the same can be taken from the BLM riots during the last election the same can be applied to what we are witnessing with the Israel protest over Gaza right now and is spreading across college campuses like wildfire. It’s not grass roots. There are federal entities behind it. It is no coincidence that Victoria Nuland went to work for Columbia University where all this started just weeks before the protests began. She was the one that set up the neo Nazi regime in Ukraine after the Maidan coup in 2013.
Same old tired playbook.
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I believe there are bigger entities behind what’s going on in more present times more so than the Federal Govt. And, if the victims of Ruby Ridge and Waco are “dead horses” just because we’ve all heard about them, then we get what we deserve.
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Will you elaborate here? I’d like to know your thoughts. Thank you.
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Contact me by instant messaging. I think I know what you’re asking, but just want to be clear. But I’d be glad to share my thoughts with you. It remains to be seen if said thoughts would be appropriate Tavern fare. But I’d be glad to share.
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The way I see it, the recent years have revealed the extent to which governments are willing to act, not through overt violence like guns and explosives, but through subtler yet equally impactful means. While different from past tragedies, the consequences are still severe and life-altering. Your point is solid, Evil remains evil, regardless of its form. The individuals affected in Waco, TX, Oklahoma City, Ruby Ridge were ordinary people with families and dreams, just like us. Their memory deserves reverence, and their stories do offer valuable lessons for us today. What I’m trying to say is that this “government” has unfortunately shown its potential to all of us, especially recently.
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That is why I’m following @mike ‘s lead and living my life like the govmint doesn’t exist. Us versus them. Take care of your “us” and ignore “them”.
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I noticed this too. For me pointing out evil and horror and suffering is not informative any longer. I like to listen with a different perspective each time. For instance that lady’s breakdown of Waco film. I honed in on the individual agents. The lack of training , shear incompetence and seeming Paintball Battle approach was telling. Then I think , this goes on not just in Justice but in Foreign Affairs , IRS , FDA , Land Management, all of it. I catch a lot of shit for this , but I don’t see how government couldn’t be the 8th deadly sin.
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I think a lot of people, that are aware of the depth of corruption and evil perpetrated by our government, are buried in tragedy after tragedy to the point where it’s very difficult to dig down to democide from 30 years ago. It’s clear to most of us that the democide is ongoing and accelerating. We want to present a solution but the system is so corrupt, we are so monitored, and those that step up so targeted and persecuted that we are left numb. Referring to Tytler’s cycle, we are fast moving from dependence to bondage. The next step is faith and the evil is attempting to crush that as well for the past 100 years and that is also accelerating. As a population we much find faith and then comes courage. Then comes Liberty (caps on purpose). We have a ways to go…
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Well said 👍
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I agree with ricktom 100%. I am DISGUSTED by everything that has happened and continues to happen, but I really don’t know what I can/could do. Everyone I try to enlighten just thinks I’m crazy. The people that KNOW, it’s preaching to the choir.
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check that, I agree with johnnyonions 100% and ricktom’s “well said” comment! 😀
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I have reached the conclusion that the only answers left involve sins and felonies. There is no getting through to the left-right paradigm brainwashed public. They are so invested in their cult of personality belief system that it is impossible to talk sense to them. In the end, they would have to accept blame and admit that they were played. Not happening. They’re too smart for that. The sheepskin on their wall from Columbia, Harvard, Yale, and Princeton that you and I paid for says so. We may have a small window of opportunity when the masters of the universe “pull” the current financial system, but I think they are ahead of us and will foment chaos that prevents us from rationally assigning blame and working together for a positive outcome.
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Some brilliant commentary from @sean.fisher and I like bold type. Speaking about what is staring us in the face & Palestine. I was talking to my brother yesterday who listens to the news. Palestine having homeland taken, is in the news. Protestors are camping out at Columbia University. And yes it is almost Riot Season to go with the election. This could be the new BLM Riots at this moment. Probably should buy a new fire extinguisher & check smoke alarm battery.
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AND SOME DOUBLE OUGHT BUCK SHOTGUN SHELLS, BROTHER. 😉
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☝Some of that too.
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I’m guessing that it IS riot season if the goal is to use the college kids to perpetrate said riot. With a month left prior to the end of the spring session. When most kids are on campus and are active due to nice weather.
Timing is everything.
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But I did notice these protest tent cities popping up on campuses waited until the weather was warmer. It’s harder to express one’s convictions when the weather is cold.
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We are not alone.
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And let’s not forget the US Government sent in the US military to attack the tent city in Washington, occupied by WWI veterans who had never been rightfully paid for their service to the country, and couldn’t feed their families.
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